Comments on: The Software Patent Racket: What do we do? http://enja.org/2011/07/09/the-software-patent-racket-what-do-we-do/ casin' the joint since '85 Thu, 03 Mar 2016 20:39:33 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.4.5 By: Alex http://enja.org/2011/07/09/the-software-patent-racket-what-do-we-do/comment-page-1/#comment-1201 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:24:23 +0000 http://enja.org/?p=628#comment-1201 What a state the software industry is in now?

When the corporate entities aren’t crushing small enterprise with patent law they are sending jobs to Asia by the thousand.

Being in my mid-40’s I’ve watched the hope turn to sour milk in this industry.

Lets face it we want it kind of both ways. If you write and sell some product you want to get paid for it; not for everyone to copy it and leave you in poverty. Yet we don’t want the software industry to become parasitical and litigious with stern restrictions on the use of libraries and algorithms.

Where to now?

I don’t have the answers but I think the future was recently mapped out by the android/Google/htc/Apple/Microsoft model where smaller companies, by becoming exclusive clients of a platform get protection (in the legal sense) from other litigious parties.

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By: enj http://enja.org/2011/07/09/the-software-patent-racket-what-do-we-do/comment-page-1/#comment-986 Sat, 23 Jul 2011 19:05:50 +0000 http://enja.org/?p=628#comment-986 @Billy I wasn’t actually excusing Google, rather my point was that even the ‘Do No Evil’ company can’t be counted on to fight this battle.

@Dad I would take your point even further, and say that patents are just not necessary for software. I can develop a useful piece of software in a weekend, then rewrite it with completely different tech and algorithms the next weekend. As an individual developer I don’t need patents to protect my innovation, because the hard part of making money off software is not writing the code itself. For large companies, we see evidence that it’s an expensive defensive arms race which isn’t really helping anyone innovate anything.

@Nathan There is a lot that goes into it for sure. I have to be careful because of my biased position as a small developer with mostly open source experience. I agree with your analysis of the fundamentals, and that it is ultimately fruitless to try and enforce physical laws on a non-physical space.

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By: Nathan http://enja.org/2011/07/09/the-software-patent-racket-what-do-we-do/comment-page-1/#comment-956 Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:28:56 +0000 http://enja.org/?p=628#comment-956 Fundamentally I think you need to develop more than just a pragmatic case. Of course innovations would happen faster lacking a patent regime, but that is rarely enough to convince most people.

At the core of the patent debate is really whether or not ideas, non-physical bits of information, can actually be property. If we examine the justification for property rights: rivaly, the fact that a physical chair can not be used simultaneously with someone else, and excludability, the fact that it is easy to prevent someone from using said chair, it is clear that ideas are the exact opposite of physical property. They can be used simultaneously with others, and preventing copying requires a virtual police state implementing what amounts to thought crime.

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By: Dad http://enja.org/2011/07/09/the-software-patent-racket-what-do-we-do/comment-page-1/#comment-944 Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:52:38 +0000 http://enja.org/?p=628#comment-944 I think the best answer is to make software patents not last so long. When one had to build an entire factory to make one’s widget and then had to physically move it to all the stores and then sell them, well it made more sense for patents to last as long as they do. When I can implement and SHIP my patented thing to customers in a week (or less!), well, 3 to 5 years seems sufficient. This then provides the inventor with a bit of running room (head start) to get the advantage of invention without squashing the industry.

What do you think?

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By: Billy http://enja.org/2011/07/09/the-software-patent-racket-what-do-we-do/comment-page-1/#comment-943 Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:42:46 +0000 http://enja.org/?p=628#comment-943 >even the mighty Google is besieged on all sides

Let’s not pretend they’re a victim. Put an end to the myth that big companies like Google, Microsoft, and Apple merely file “defensive” patents. If they’re so bothered by the system and merely waiting patiently for it to end, then why aren’t they lobbying against software patents?

Because they’re happy to continue to cross-license. Because they’re powerful enough, with a sizable racket of their own, that they can keep the other ‘families’ at bay. But that’s not passive and “defensive” at all; they’re extracting huge economic advantage from the patent system by trading portfolios and fending off lawsuits, and they’d rather fight the arms race of building their own portfolio to keep their market position than change the law and level the playing field.

Microsoft’s actually lobbying to make it EASIER to register patents (and, of course, IBM is there, who owns ~30% of all software patents)

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h1249

Why don’t I see Google and Apple in the “oppose” column? Why aren’t they using their billions to fix this system if they hate it so?

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By: Martin Lindelöf http://enja.org/2011/07/09/the-software-patent-racket-what-do-we-do/comment-page-1/#comment-941 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:29:37 +0000 http://enja.org/?p=628#comment-941 nice post, it’s never patents that propel human experience with technology forwards, patents only acts as a reactive force. Keeping’ us from reaching terminal velocity.

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